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上で | After and Upon Doing in Japanese

After doing; upon; in the course of

N3た form + 上で | Noun + の + 上で

Step 38 of 112 in the N3 study path

N3Japanese Grammar

After doing; upon; in the course of

Formation:た form + 上で | Noun + の + 上で

Do This First, Then Decide

上(うえ)で marks a first step taken deliberately so that a second one can follow properly.

  • 資料(しりょう)を読(よ)んだ**上(じょう)で**ご返事(へんじ)します。(I'll reply after reading the materials.)

Both actions must be intentional, and the second usually involves a decision, a judgement or a formal response.

Against てから

Both mean "after", and the difference is purpose:

Pattern Sense
てから simple sequence — A, then B
上(じょう)で A is the basis on which B is decided

朝(あさ)起(お)きてから顔(かお)を洗(あら)う is fine. ×起(お)きた上(うえ)で顔(かお)を洗(あら)う is not — washing your face is not a decision made on the basis of waking up.

The Second Sense — "In the Course Of"

With a noun, 上(うえ)で can mean "in doing", naming a domain rather than a sequence:

  • 生活(せいかつ)する**上(じょう)で**必要(ひつよう)なもの(things necessary in daily life)

Here it attaches to the dictionary form, not the た form. The tense tells you which sense is meant.

Not 以上は

Same kanji, different pattern. 以上(いじょう)は draws an obligation from a fact; 上(うえ)で marks a sequence or a domain.

Example Sentences

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  1. 資料(しりょう)を読(よ)んだ上(うえ)でご返事(へんじ)します。

    I'll reply after reading the materials.

  2. よく考(かんが)えた上(うえ)で決(き)めてください。

    Please decide after thinking it over carefully.

  3. 家族(かぞく)と相談(そうだん)した上(うえ)でお返事(へんじ)いたします。

    I'll give you an answer after discussing it with my family.

  4. 面接(めんせつ)の上(うえ)で採用(さいよう)を決(き)めます。

    We'll decide on hiring after the interview.

  5. 生活(せいかつ)する上(うえ)で必要(ひつよう)なものを買(か)った。

    I bought the things needed for daily life.

  6. 契約(けいやく)する上(うえ)で注意(ちゅうい)すべき点(てん)があります。

    There are points to watch when signing a contract.

  7. 確認(かくにん)した上(うえ)で報告(ほうこく)します。

    I'll report once I've confirmed it.

  8. 調査(ちょうさ)の上(うえ)で結論(けつろん)を出(だ)します。

    We'll reach a conclusion after investigating.

Quiz Time

上で | After and Upon Doing in Japanese

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